> Too bad You can't capture the smell from that area too.

The smell of Martinez / Avon? Hmmmm. We could advise the player not to bathe for a week and then the night before have a meal of beans w/ a huge amount a garlic bread. That should approximate Martinez rather well, I would think.

An old Bill Cosby routine:

Bill (to hot date): Uhhh, that's from the, um, refinery.
Hot Date: I certainly hope so.


When I first lived in the Bay Area it was near Martinez. Some winter days the fog would rise up out of the delta and spill over the hills to where I lived. You could hardly see 20 feet. And with the fog was the smell. Phew. I worked w/ a whole bunch of old guys who had spent their whole life there... a lot of old Italian guys. Sons of sardine fisherman for the most part. What a bunch they were, oh lordy, funny, and coarse.... about a quarter of their vocabulary was an obscentity.

and

> will this be a Payware Route?

That's the plan.

C'mon, don't you just love the smell of petroleum in the morning?

It smells like... Victory.

:-)

Cm'on I would rather be smelling diesel, or steam !

Yeah, yeah, it's called sarcasm... The smell of petroleum isn't too bad, and smelling diesel for a long time does get neausating.

SMW

This will be a great Riute I love the SP always have,This will go from Sacramento too Oakland correct.Also will it go from Sacramento to Elvas Tower.

The track is laid from the ferry slips on the Oakland Mole to Elvas Tower in Sacramento.

What's been holding things up have been the huge number of buildings to make. There are already over 300 entries in the routes' .ref file for "Cal-P_Bldgs". A majority of those are not individual buildings but groups, often whole city blocks, so the actual number of individual buildings in probably somewhere between 500 and 1000. And there is plenty of that sort of work still to do.

FWIW, anybody who likes to work w/ google's Sketchup and is interested in helping me out doing these structures, please drop me a PM. I really could use some help.

How many Miles is this Route from Elvas Tower too Oakland.

Dunno w/o looking it up but I'd guess around 110.

It is approximately 92, plus or minus a few tenths

Are you talking industrial structures here, or shops/office type stuff?

So it's 92 Miles from Elvas Tower too Oakland from what I read in a.Railfan Timetable it goes through Richmond Emeryville Berkeley.

Industrial structures. I'm using Sanborn maps so almost all of them are based on the actual buildings at that location for dates between 1939 and 1952. Fortunately for me, many of the sites are still standing so I've been able to suplement the Sanborn map data w/ a variety of photos.

I still say you boys need a P-8 Class pacific to go with the route .

I happen to know of one that si just asking for details photos to be taken of...and i just happen to be part of the operating crew...lot of just happens going on here...

Does that mean you are just going happen to take some pictures?

If it just so happens I am asked...

I haven't seen anything posted regarding the route in a long time. Is it still being developed or is it dead?

Real life and a few hardware issues on the parts of most whom are workng on the project has delayed us for the last two months. As of yesterday, half of the team has reported in and we should start seeing some progress

Thank you for the update. Hope all goes well

Jim

I have to agree with you on this. I really need a route that is close to me (Davis).

So anymore updates on the progress?

I have been following the progress on this route for several years. I spent my teen years in the Bay Area and rode various trains from Oakland (Mole and 16th Street) to Sacramento, including the RDC.
I also made several trips on the San Joaquin Daylight, and one on the overnight trail (Owl?) I am eagerly awaiting its release; I'll be near the head of the line.

John DeLamater

40 miles from the Feather River isnt close enough?

Any Ideas on waht happened to this? I would love to see the "early AC's". The home page shows a very nice one. Would love to know what happened..

Best Regards,

Galen

I needed a break and stopped work for a couple of months. Have returned to work but am not entirely sure how much work will get done before another break is called for. I have been at this a very long time and as far as hobbies go, the bloom is pretty much off the rose.

Dear David Nelson,

I can understand your approach to the project as this is a hobby. In Model Railroad magazine many of the train layouts have taken years to complete. We are lucky to be in a hobby that these layouts can actually be shared with others.

Yours truly,
Leland

Please. keep things civil.

Hey Hack..I wasn't being "Uncivil"... I am just curious. I love the early AC cab forwards..


Best Regards,

Galen

Not you - the offending posts have since been removed.

Cheers!
Marc

Oh.. Thanks. Sorry if I stirred up something. Just looking for some old cab forwards!

R/
Galen

Galen, nothing you did.

um, no. I need something I can relate to, as SP used to run through my hometown in the 1990's

What was your hometown Stephen?

Haven't tried that route yet, so no...

Davis, and I was born in Sacramento...I call the Valley my 'turf'. By the way, what is the progress report for the SLW's California Pacific Route, and do you need a hand? My route development skills are in order, and I think you guys could use someone who lives on the northeast end of the route, say for model development or research? How bout it, as my original SERA Woodland Branch is on hold while I re-marker that route.

How's your Sketchup skills? Or Mosaic tertex painting? Could use help on either.

Sketchup? Excellent. Mosaic? I need money for the Pro or normal version, so I would say mediocre?

You have a PM.