Where's 3D-Train's going? Options

[micaelcorleone]

Donner Pass is unlikely because it's only served by UP.
But Tehachapi Pass would be great. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

[nat]

Here's a few hints:

• The route contains two Class-1 railroads working in unison
• Both passenger and freight trains are featured
• Contains three fair-sized yards and crew change points
• Most trains require helpers up and down the grades
• Contains four active branch lines, two of which are fully modeled
• The route has been a major corridor for over 100 years

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Cheers!
Marc

Well it defiantly has the description of Tehachapi.

1. Southern Pacific and Santa Fe
2. SP San Joaquin passenger trains along with the freight service.
3. ATSF's Bakersfield Yard, SP's Bakersfield Yard, and SP's Mojave Yard(slightly larger in the steam era)
4. It's a given that a 2.2% grade would require helpers.
5. There are quite a number of branch lines in the Bakersfield area.
6. The route has been a bottle-neck for SP(UP) and ATSF(BNSF) ever since being opened and is the one of the only ways for SP and ATSF trains to get the Central Valley from Southern California.

[USRailFan]

Although it was my understanding that the route would have a modern-day setting, and there is no passenger traffic over Tehachapi these days (OK, Amtrak's California Service operates over a tiny bit of it near Bakersfield)...

[BNSF650]

Although it was my understanding that the route would have a modern-day setting, and there is no passenger traffic over Tehachapi these days (OK, Amtrak's California Service operates over a tiny bit of it near Bakersfield)...

How about a teaser pic..lol

[Hack]

Here's a few more...

• It's not Canadian
• It's not modern (still used today, however)
• It's not UP

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Cheers!
Marc

[gizzmaxx]

Here's a few hints:

• The route contains two Class-1 railroads working in unison
• Both passenger and freight trains are featured
• Contains three fair-sized yards and crew change points
• Most trains require helpers up and down the grades
• Contains four active branch lines, two of which are fully modeled
• The route has been a major corridor for over 100 years

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Cheers!
Marc

This is a tough one (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush.gif)
The first hint two class 1's working in unison brings to mind the Joint Line between Denver and Pueblo, but I don't think they use helpers on the joint line.
My next thought is the Powder River, two class one's, helpers out of Donkey creek, but again I don't think this line see any passenger traffic.
My next thought was the MRL, two major yards and crew change points I can think of, plus two major grades (Mullan and Bozeman) but the MRL is a class 2.
My next thought is the inside gateway used by both the BN and the WP, my knowledge of the inside gateway is limited.

So Marc I'll just guess: Is it the Inside Gateway?

[USRailFan]

• It's not UP

But maybe one of the roads now merged into UP?

[gizzmaxx]

Here's a few more...

• It's not Canadian
• It's not modern (still used today, however)
• It's not UP

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Cheers!
Marc

Hummmm..... Not Canadian meaning not in Canada, but is the line currently owned by a Canadian Railroad?

[Hack]

...is the line currently owned by a Canadian Railroad?

Not that I'm aware of. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Cheers!
Marc

[thecanadianrail]

so what do we know....it is not canadian, not on the east coast, not UP, it's not modern although it is still used, it has 2 class 1 railroads, both passanger and freight, 3 fair sized yards with crew change points, most trains require helpers, has 4 branchlines, and the Calafornia Zephyr had traveled over the route once during the 1950s, has been a MAJOR corridor for over 100 years. so thinking that it is not a modern style route (it is still used but the modeling takes place in the past) it could be any of these railroads: Santa Fe, Burlington Northern, Southern Pacific, Northern Pacific, Great Northern, D&RGW, and Western Pacific. so it is 2 of those railroads......but which ones? once we find which railroads they are it should narrow down which route it could be!

[gizzmaxx]

so what do we know....it is not Canadian, not on the east coast, not UP, it's not modern although it is still used, it has 2 class 1 railroads, both passenger and freight, 3 fair sized yards with crew change points, most trains require helpers, has 4 branchlines, and the California Zephyr had traveled over the route once during the 1950s, has been a MAJOR corridor for over 100 years. so thinking that it is not a modern style route (it is still used but the modeling takes place in the past) it could be any of these railroads: Santa Fe, Burlington Northern, Southern Pacific, Northern Pacific, Great Northern, D&RGW, and Western Pacific. so it is 2 of those railroads......but which ones? once we find which railroads they are it should narrow down which route it could be!

Hold on, Marc said it wasn't UP, which I interpreted as also meaning anything that was folded into the UP. So if that is true, it cannot be the Southern Pacific, D&RGW, Western Pacific, C&NW, MP, as I guessed earlier on the Inside Gateway, but Marc said it wasn't UP. Since he said the California Zephyr once detoured over the line, I'm thinking a former Hill Line? as he said the line is still used today, which would rule out the Milwaukee Road. I had thought earlier it might have been the MRL, (two big grades, bozeman and Mullan) but the MRL is actually a class 2 railroad. If I remember correctly the CZ used the CB&Q to Denver, the D&RGW to Salt Lake and the WP to the coast. At this point I'm a little stumped (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) This is a good riddle, I'm already looking forward to the route and not even sure what route it is (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

[nat]

Here's a few more...

• It's not Canadian
• It's not modern (still used today, however)
• It's not UP

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Cheers!
Marc

Still sounds like a pre-1960's era Tehachapi to me. UP didn't arrive to Tehachapi until 96'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[BNSF650]

Still sounds like a pre-1960's era Tehachapi to me. UP didn't arrive to Tehachapi until 96'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Could it be KCS?

[USRailFan]

Still sounds like a pre-1960's era Tehachapi to me. UP didn't arrive to Tehachapi until 96'. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Doubtful when it is 'set in a more modern era' than the mid-50s, according to Marc... If it is Tehachapi it'd have to be pre-Amtrak, since he mentioned passenger traffic, and AFAIK Amtrak has never ran over Tehachapi (not regularly, anyway).

[nat]

Doubtful when it is 'set in a more modern era' than the mid-50s, according to Marc... If it is Tehachapi it'd have to be pre-Amtrak, since he mentioned passenger traffic, and AFAIK Amtrak has never ran over Tehachapi (not regularly, anyway).

Well, SP did run their San Joaquin Daylight trains until about 73' I believe, so it would be a possibility.
Whatever it is, I'm eager to find out. Maybe it will be something that will persuade me to buy Railworks....

[gizzmaxx]

Is it a former Hill Line?

[nlmcm]

Donnor's Pass route only for one reason:

Marc clued one time - the CZ used it. CZ service began in the late 40's and ceased when Amtrack took over, while service was continued in the same name, Amtracks relationship with other RR was difficult at the very beginning, if not impossible.

IMHO, The SP Tehachapi Route is way too far south for CZ to maintain good time.

And yes, today UP owns Donnor's Pass right of way.

And yes, while not well known, railroads years past to the 30's, allow a day or a week or whatever it took to either share or lease right of way to each others tracks or routes, for both passenger and freight trains.

How many recall when the Union Pacific RR computer systems froze up a few years ago. Too many trains all at once, took the BNSF and many other RR help to unsnarl that event.

To me, that is professionalism.

Major airlines have been doing this for years.

Clickity Clack,

Peter

NB: MN's beautiful CZ's (times two) on D. Karch's Rollins Pass Route (Moffatt Tunnel Route - freeware) in Glenwood Canyon, east of Glennwood Springs, CO. CB&Q/WP/DRG&W promo shot of the actual picture was the basis for this MSTS screenshot, fairly close, exception was DRG&W RR actually used ALCO units in the promotion shot.

[thecanadianrail]

speaking of glennwood canyon, i am in the SLOW proccess of modeling that into RW, but with a modern UP theme instead of an older SP or D&RGW style.

[nat]

Donnor's Pass route only for one reason:

Marc clued one time - the CZ used it. CZ service began in the late 40's and ceased when Amtrack took over, while service was continued in the same name, Amtracks relationship with other RR was difficult at the very beginning, if not impossible.

IMHO, The SP Tehachapi Route is way too far south for CZ to maintain good time.

And yes, today UP owns Donnor's Pass right of way.

Only one problem. Marc said it was used by two Class-1 railroads. Donner only had one, SP. Also, "Contains three fair-sized yards and crew change points". Donner would only have two yards, Roseville and Sparks.

And remember Marc said the CZ, used it "once".

[jmslakings]

Not that I'm aware of. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Cheers!
Marc

Not 100% sure. So it sound's like this route my be close to Canada.

Would the two old railroads be GreatNorthern and BurlingtonNorthern.