Car company sites Options

[kevarc]

I was not happy with the weights of the ACF hoppers we have, they seem off. So I went looking to see what I could find.

This site has the demensions and empty weight of the ACF cars:, but not loaded weights.
http://www.acfindustries.com/product_line/...cifications.asp
Greenbriar Complete info
http://www.gbrx.com/products/products_frame.html
Johnstown Complete info
http://www.johnstownamerica.com/products/f...productline.htm
Trinity complete info
http://www.trinityrailcar.com/products/index.html

Hopefullly these will be usefull.

[century242]

I just picked up a book about American Car and Foundry by Signature Press...there is some really interesting information in there.

What do you mean the weight seems to be off? I personally do not run too many grain cars, but we are coming out with a cement car shortly.

Now if you have the dry and empty weights for a car (and we will assume that the car is capable of hauling 100t) and we add the specified amount of cargo the car is supposed to hold then we could deudce the proper weights. Or am I missing something here, this was never a real strong suit of mine in school.

What I do know how to do is calculate what is needed to upright a fully loaded cement truck (about 80,000#s) with enough snatch blocks and wire rope using a truck that has 2 - 4 ton winches (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

[kevarc]

I was planning on going through and redoing wags. I was plannning on creating an empty weight, middle (about 75 tons) and a max weight wag.

[cr-stagg]

Kevin,
My experience from the 1950-60s unloading boxcars for my father, who ran a freight transfer business, they were almost never full. And the ones that were full were those loaded with Post cereal cases. Those cars weren't as heavy as the ones half full of Quaker Motor Oil. If it was not the middle of the summer (in North Texas) we didn't even break a sweat unloading cereal cars. Post always sent 1-2 cases more than needed of each type of cereal. Of course back then there were not too many varities of cereal. Orders were to destroy any overage. After they had been delivered and the grocers accepted their order, my Dad opened the extra cases took 2-3 for us and let his men take the rest.

[KurtK]

Kevin,

I read your original post last night and had to think about it for a bit. IIRC, the BNSF website lists the minimum standard for grain cars in shuttle service as 4,600 cu. ft. and max capacity of 266,000 lbs, but those are general numbers and probably not much help.

You might look at an ORER, since that's got dry/empty weight and max capacity in thousands of pounds, listed by car number...I have one from 1986 that's likely to have the information you're looking for. Drop me a line if you think I can help.

Kurt

[kevarc]

Charles, thanks for the offer, but at this time I am trying to keep it simple for the time being. Though I would like average max weights for grain cars and then regular cars.

I think the tare (empty) weight for one.
On of a total 107.6 tons for loaded cars, though newer one have a loaded weight of 133 tons as pointed out by Kurt and this would be the 100 ton standard.
And the third would be 133 tons.

I think these three would meet my needs, but for the timebeing I am only going to do the empty and 107.6 tons wag files. Though for a few I may do the max number.

Kurt - Could you look for the PS2 and general numbers on the rest numbers for me? I need to check some things and I might have a few more questions for you.

[KurtK]

Kevin,

The PS2 cars in the 3bps2_1.zip from train-sim.com have a capacity of 200,000 lbs. Tare weight, I would think, would be measured by individual car, since it's not listed in the ORER.

The 3-bay ACF cars (3bacf_1.zip) have a 4,600 cu ft and 199,000lb capacity.

The 2-bay cars (2bay_1.zip) apparently weren't in service in 1986.

Kurt

[kevarc]

Thanks

[kevarc]

I am going to use 107.6 as my full load weight. I had a chance to check out a number of ACF cars today and that seemed to be about the right weight to use.