That North Arkansas Thang (Pic) 12/17/11
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I tell you, your mind and curiosity are as fertile as a rabbit...
When I'm interested in something... I like to learn about it. As mentioned above, those TOC19 railroads all capture my imagination and interest... so... the quest is almost never-ending!
Always a good read coming back here.
Well... I always enjoy having you share some input, too... so it works both ways!
Speaking of my "North Arkansas Thang":
Tonight I've pretty much confirmed what I suspected: The North Arkansas did not own their own facilities in Joplin, Mo. Instead, they were a tennant at the KCS facilities.
For some years, I wasn't sure about is what they did for facilities once at Joplin. Seeing as Joplin was the northern terminal for the First District (the entire line even), that would mean originating/terminating freight trains and passenger trains. Plus, it will mean engines that need serviced (and possibly light repair), cars that will need to be classified and/or blocked, cabooses that will need layover storage, etc. In otherwords, they need access to a yard and engine service. Seeing as it was via KCS tracks on which they arrived to Joplin, and IF there was never any North Arkansas owned land and yard facilities at Joplin, then it does indicate they had a joint arrangement with the KCS.
If my above deduction is the correct understanding, then it helps me to grasp the North Arkansas way of doing things at Joplin. BUT... now it means I need to learn about the KCS facilities at Joplin so I can (eventually) replicate same in my virtual effort!
Now: Wonder if they had any online business to switch at Joplin? Also wonder if they ran their own transfers to/from the other Joplin railroads, or if the KCS handled the North Arkansas' transfers for them?
Yup, the more I learn, the more I want to know.
Working nights ... somewhere I read someone said, "There's no dark like railroad dark." Watch your step and keep your glim trimmed.
Indeed... night adds "unique" challenges when switching long cuts/etc. Fortunately, for the most part, my days of pounding the chat are behind me... but as you know, an Engineer has a whole new set of things to be mindful about.
Posted 20 December 2011 - 01:32 PM
On that last point about joint facilities at Joplin: Within just the past 24 hours I have learned the following (below) from a fellow North Arkansas enthusiast that frequents the North Arkansas Yahoo group I'm a part of. John Chambers responded to the questions I had about Joplin and this was his input:
"The MNA was one of the founders and members of the Joplin Union Depot Company (JUD) which was a separate company founded for the purpose of building and running the Joplin Union Depot complex which included the station, freight yard and engine facilities for its members. The other railroads that joined with the MNA to build JUD were the KCS, MKT and Santa Fe. The other roads in Joplin, Frisco and Mop, had their own stations and facilities. Both the Santa Fe and the MNA gained access to Joplin over trackage rights on the KCS. The Santa Fe came down from Pittsburg, Kansas and the MNA up from Neosho. The JUD still stands (sort of) and is owned by the state of Missouri who confiscated it from a woman who tried to “restore” the station using state grants but failed and didn’t pay her loans back. The building stands gutted and windowless with a chain link fence around it to try and keep the transients and vandals out. It has been discussed this year by the city of Joplin to make the station the local museum complex but with all of the financial problems cities are going through I think this is just going to be pipe dream. Next time you’re up this way let me know and I can take you on a field trip to the Joplin area. The railroad history of that city is very interesting."
So, there you have it: Joint facilities with the KCS, Katy, and ATSF!!! Now, how cool is that? Makes me think that getting to Joplin will be a MUST DO on the route "one of these days".
However, I will absolutely, positively, HAVE to "rationalize" the joint facilities as best I can to avoid overbuilding the area. Helping me to restrain is the fact I've also learned the North Arkansas had NO customers in Joplin. Only connections. Now, whether I'll have the resource leeway to model connections is still uknown. Won't know that until I've added the tiles and created the terrian and head that way in RE to how the tiles lay among the city of Joplin. Hopefully it will be spread over several and not on one primary tile? We'll see... again... "one of these days"!
BY the way...
IF any of you find any of the above interesting and would like to see why I wet my pants about things North Arkansas... consider purchasing the only historical account of the plucky little line in Arkansas via Amazon. There are some VERY reasonably priced copies of same offered at this time. Here's a direct link!!
Time's winding down... got to head off to work the good ol' night job.
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Great to hear that you are still enjoying the StLNA and the A&O!
As for activities... have you tried "Activity Generator" by Skyline Computing? I believe there are Activity Generator templates for both the StLNA and A&O. It's my understanding that you can use the Activity Generator to literally create a new activity in minutes!!! No kiddin'.
"One of these days"... I've got to reinstall my copy of AG.
After tromping around the White Rock area, I can't imagine anyone foolish enough to try to run a railroad there, but I guess back in the day...
Without a doubt, the most rugged of all the Ozark lines (in regards to topography and gradient/curves) was the Black Mountain & Eastern. If you're ever passing through Cass, Arkansas on Hwy 23... look to the west. See that imposing range of mountains? The BM&E climbed it to the summit and all the way to Combs, AR!! Amazing.