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#21 lpman

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Posted 02 September 2007 - 09:16 AM

In an Email You sent me you mentioned the possibilitiy of some Southern Pacific equipment, is that still happening or did you run into some more snags designing the passenger equipment?

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Posted 03 September 2007 - 01:16 PM

No problem, release date for Southern Pacific Passenger is half september wink.gif

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QUOTE(lpman @ Sep 2 2007, 7:57 AM) View Post

In an Email You sent me you mentioned the possibilitiy of some Southern Pacific equipment, is that still happening or did you run into some more snags designing the passenger equipment?



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Posted 03 September 2007 - 04:39 PM

What will be offered?

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Posted 04 September 2007 - 03:17 AM

Daylight with PA & E8/9
and more

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QUOTE(lpman @ Sep 3 2007, 3:20 PM) View Post

What will be offered?



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Posted 05 September 2007 - 02:34 PM

Gaetan if you do the SP pass set, you have to do Rock Island Golden State set. biggrin.gif There is no way out. mad.gif ohmy.gif foof.gif cool.gif laugh.gif

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 04:50 PM

Considering the specialized equipment the Southern Pacific ran on their passenger trains;
Tavern Lounge, Articulated Chair Cars, and the ever present 3 car Articulated Kitchen-Diner-Coffee Shop cars, Master Berlanger will have his hands full. ;o)

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Posted 05 September 2007 - 06:48 PM

He! Guys have you good wesbites for i find all the necessary imformation about the SP passenger ?

For now i have this

http://espee.railfan.net/espee.html?
http://www.kls2.com/~karl/rr/consists/

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QUOTE(lpman @ Sep 5 2007, 3:31 PM) View Post

Considering the specialized equipment the Southern Pacific ran on their passenger trains;
Tavern Lounge, Articulated Chair Cars, and the ever present 3 car Articulated Kitchen-Diner-Coffee Shop cars, Master Berlanger will have his hands full. ;o)



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Posted 05 September 2007 - 09:43 PM

What kind of information due you need?
If you need to see the sides of the passenger cars
http://www.nscalesup...Supply.htmlcars
http://espee.railfan.net/bulletin.html
http://users.snowcre...ob/spindex.html
http://www.rr-fallenflags.org/
http://trainweb.org/passengercars/
http://www.kls2.com/~karl/rr/consists/
If I can find any others I will let you know.

Also Sacramento Locomotive works had a daylight train project but it seems stalled for what ever reason
http://www.sacrament...ks.com/car.html

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 03:33 AM

This link don't work

http://www.nscalesup...Supply.htmlcars

I search imformation on this articulated (pictures & Diagram etcc..) for i try to build if is possible


Thanks
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Posted 06 September 2007 - 05:43 AM

Sorry, Try this;
http://www.nscalesup...om/mrs/MRS.html.
Or due a search for Brass Car Sides
Hope this helps

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 06:19 AM

I wish I had more on the cars:(
The articulated chair cars look like they are about 60' long each half with the center truck being a six wheel as opposed to the 4 wheel trucks(bogies) on the ends.
the Diner is the same as far as the bogies with maybe each section being between 60' and 65' in length and the kitchen section a little shorter maybe 55' to 60' .
The interior of the Tavern could have been set up with the full bar in the center on one side, tables and chairs at one end and maybe lounge compartments at the other end.
The Baggage Chair appears to be a version of a Combine with baggage at the front and coach seating at the windows. The observation lounge had lounge compartments maybe up front and maybe seating like the Canadian Obs. in the back, with a back exit door and a unique light at the tail.
Depending on the era the cars were either fluted on the sides or slab sided later, either way they had the red orange color untill the late '50s early '60s when most were repainted silver with the red stripe above the windows.
Mostly the thing about the Espee cars was the Larger windows for better visabilty.
Hope this helps

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 07:05 AM

Wow! thanks

OK the Diner articulated is 60' 50' 60' feets and a 6wheels truck between each articulate ?

i put 50 because if i check this template

or maybe 70 60 70 ?

Gaetan



QUOTE(lpman @ Sep 6 2007, 5:00 AM) View Post

I wish I had more on the cars:(
The articulated chair cars look like they are about 60' long each half with the center truck being a six wheel as opposed to the 4 wheel trucks(bogies) on the ends.
the Diner is the same as far as the bogies with maybe each section being between 60' and 65' in length and the kitchen section a little shorter maybe 55' to 60' .
The interior of the Tavern could have been set up with the full bar in the center on one side, tables and chairs at one end and maybe lounge compartments at the other end.
The Baggage Chair appears to be a version of a Combine with baggage at the front and coach seating at the windows. The observation lounge had lounge compartments maybe up front and maybe seating like the Canadian Obs. in the back, with a back exit door and a unique light at the tail.
Depending on the era the cars were either fluted on the sides or slab sided later, either way they had the red orange color untill the late '50s early '60s when most were repainted silver with the red stripe above the windows.
Mostly the thing about the Espee cars was the Larger windows for better visabilty.
Hope this helps

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 04:39 PM

Maybe a Nickel Plate set in the future?

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Posted 06 September 2007 - 06:55 PM

I wish I knew for sure.
There has to be sources for that information
Check tthese pages:
http://espee.railfan...an-joaquin.html
http://espee.railfan...t-daylight.html
http://espee.railfan.../passenger.html

this is the class for half of the articulated chair car
66-ACW-2
Maybe the 66 refers to the length.
ACW refers to Articulated Chair Womens
the -2 might mean it is 2 cars
You can find the lengths of all the cars listed if the above is true and the number of seats per car at
http://espee.railfan.../passenger.html
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Posted 07 September 2007 - 03:17 AM

OK Doug seem to be not bad with 70 60 70 just need to resize a little bit the kitchen for 57

Here i have number 10256 10257 10258 pickup here on a HO Model
http://cgi.ebay.com/...8QQcmdZViewItem

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 05:53 AM

Gaetan,
That's the first time I have seen the Challenger trainset It looks very nice, but unless they goofed with the center truck on the 66-Art Chairs I did thinking the chair cars received the six wheel trucks like the diner.
I would think with the extra weight the bigger truck would provide a smoother ride

But any way that set looks very nice.
Had I modeled a layout in HO scale that set would have been a set to have.

Doug

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Posted 07 September 2007 - 11:01 AM

QUOTE(Gbel2001 @ Sep 6 2007, 9:46 AM) View Post

Wow! thanks

OK the Diner articulated is 60' 50' 60' feets and a 6wheels truck between each articulate ?

i put 50 because if i check this template

or maybe 70 60 70 ?

Gaetan


Gaetan:

Everything you need to know, including builders photos and plans, are in a book entitled "The Official Pullman Standard Library Volume 5 Southern Pacific Prewar Cars", by W. David Randall & William M. Ross, 1989, Railway Production Classics.

David Carleton,
D. Carleton Rail Books



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Posted 07 September 2007 - 11:34 AM

Thanks David

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QUOTE(dcarleton @ Sep 7 2007, 9:42 AM) View Post

Gaetan:

Everything you need to know, including builders photos and plans, are in a book entitled "The Official Pullman Standard Library Volume 5 Southern Pacific Prewar Cars", by W. David Randall & William M. Ross, 1989, Railway Production Classics.

David Carleton,
D. Carleton Rail Books



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Posted 07 September 2007 - 11:37 AM

QUOTE(Gbel2001 @ Sep 6 2007, 9:46 AM) View Post

Wow! thanks

OK the Diner articulated is 60' 50' 60' feets and a 6wheels truck between each articulate ?

i put 50 because if i check this template

or maybe 70 60 70 ?

Gaetan


Gaetan:

Over the years there were three different configurations of the three unit diners. The earliest ones, built in 1939 for the Daylight, had a "Coffee Shop" section, a Kitchen section, and a Dining Car section. The end cars were each 72'-0" length with a four wheel truck on the coupler end and a six wheel truck on the articulated end. The four wheel truck was 13'-1" in from the end of the car, and the cars were 58'-11" between truck centers. The Kitchen Car was 59'-6" length.

David Carleton



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Posted 07 September 2007 - 12:55 PM

reThanks David wink.gif

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QUOTE(dcarleton @ Sep 7 2007, 10:18 AM) View Post

Gaetan:

Over the years there were three different configurations of the three unit diners. The earliest ones, built in 1939 for the Daylight, had a "Coffee Shop" section, a Kitchen section, and a Dining Car section. The end cars were each 72'-0" length with a four wheel truck on the coupler end and a six wheel truck on the articulated end. The four wheel truck was 13'-1" in from the end of the car, and the cars were 58'-11" between truck centers. The Kitchen Car was 59'-6" length.

David Carleton